Jesus was not a Christian!
Jesus was not a Christian, as most of us have found; he was a practicing Jew1. Christianity is believed to have begun several decades prior to the 4th Century AD; traced to the Eastern Mediterranean with its beginning, history shows it ultimately spread its teachings and influence throughout the region resulting in it becoming a dominant religion within the Roman Empire2. Where then, did our modern day beliefs come from and what are we to believe?
Modern day Romans, one of seven undisputed letters of St. Paul the Apostle, states that “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God3" and ensures that salvation can be found through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. History records that Paul was not “ashamed” of the said Gospel because it held power.
Romans 1:16-17
16: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17: For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, the just shall live by faith.
Would Jesus be a Christian based on the preceding statements and quotes and the way that his modern day followers live by and practice their faith? Jesus as depicted in the earliest writings of the gospels preached simple messages of love as the way to God and Heaven, rather than the atonement teachings that “You have to believe in Jesus to be saved. You have to repent for your sins and believe that He died on the cross for you to be saved and get into Heaven4.” Should we live our lives through atonement or rather the example set by Jesus before his death? Christian dogma must also be confronted by the fact that the Christian Bible is a “living” text whose manuscripts “reflect the distinctive beliefs of the individual Christian communities which read them5.”
Jesus proclaimed that the kingdom of God had come with His arrival, Matthew 12:28; Luke 4:21. “But you just have to read your daily newspaper to know that Jesus could not possibly have been the messiah. The kingdom of God is not here. For 2,000 years since Jesus' coming, the genocides and rapes have not ended. Racism and poverty still flourish6.”
Final reflection: According to the 2009 American Religious Identification Survey, The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades. Much of the decline is attributed to data collected from New England which shows the biggest decline in faithful Christians. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, stated; “That really hit me hard, the Northwest was never as religious, never as congregationalized, as the Northeast, which was the foundation, the home base, of American religion. To lose New England struck me as momentous7.”
John 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you8.
After all, "We're all children of the same Universe."
1 http://www.therefinersfire.org
2 http://en.wikipedia.org
3 http://www.biblegateway.com
4 http://www.happierabroad.com
5 http://www.bayofquinteconference.ca
6 http://www.chosunjournal.com
7 http://www.newsweek.com
8 http://www.geocities.com
posted by Br. Jacob at
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your being misleading on how to get to heaven and such; however, you are correct that jesus was a jew (being that christianity) had not spread. and true christianity started sometime just after the resurrection of christ and the original 'christians' were called 'followers of the way' or belonged to 'the way'. and Jesus Christ did teach that you must believe that he died for your sins to get to heaven. thus the 'love' teachings you took out of context were truly all the people needed to get to heaven (pre-cruxification) "love your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and love you neighbor as yourself." the two greatest commandments.
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Jesus wasn't a Christian, because he is Christ him self and is the Son of the Living God. The argument itself is invalid by statement and not beyond that. More importantly throughout the entire New Testament, Jesus was a radical againist the Jewish traditions because he was bringing all others who weren't not followers of the law into the same fold. He was bringing the promise of God for the Holy Spirit to pour out onto all men. For now every man presseth into the Kingdom of Heaven. I understand you take great pride in your education and your statistics, but God doesn't need your validation to make his Will justitified. Everything that proceeds out of God's mouth goes forward and does exactly what it is called to do. The reason you are seeing a decline in the Christian population is for the same reason that Jesus said it would, "the harvest is plenty, but the laborers are few." Your statement you are making now only validates the book of Revelation, "the generations will be wiser, but more tempted". You stand solely on your education for knowledge of something that requires higher understanding. God makes foolishness of mans proclamations all the time. Not because he has a big kid with the spyglass on the ant complex, but because as he shows us in the old testament (which the Jews do follow), that man is incapible of governing themselves. Reach for a higher understanding, its there. Don't settle for less.
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I agree with the statements of the two posters ahead of me. It is correct that Jesus was not a Christian...simply because Christianity did not exist until Christ died for our sins. Christianity came into existence by the followers of Christ spreading the gospel to all nations. It is also true that while Jesus was born a Jew...his whole reason for coming into humanity was to pay for the sins that we cannot afford to pay for. The ones we all commit even when we try our hardest to lovingly follow Him. I don't have a lot of fancy education, nor can I spew a lot of verses from the bible to back up what I say...all I know is how I feel when I realize that the Father loves me...knows my name...knows my situation...and is in control of all things. It is a very freeing feeling to understand that you are not in control...and all you really have to do is understand that God knows what is happening and will take care of you if you trust him. I believe that Jesus would not be a "Christian" if he were living on the earth today. Why? Because he would be the leader. He would be the one guiding us and teaching us to be more like him. Christians should strive everyday to be more like Christ. That is the true definition of a Christian. However, it is impossible to be completely like Christ without his guidance. No person on earth can withstand the temptations our Lord faced and overcame during his time on earth. That is the whole point of God sending his son. He made us...we failed Him...He knew we would...He didn't want to abandon any one of us because He loves us all like a Father loves His child...He knew we could not keep his laws because the devil tempts us to break them every day...the wages for sin is eternal death, a price that our Father loves us too much to want us to pay...He sent his son as a perfect sacrifice(free from all sin)to pay the price for our failures...now you have to believe that He made that great sacrifice in order to save us to have eternal life. Is that all you have to do? NO!!! You have to try to do your best to obey His laws set forth in the new testament. Yet, even if you obey his laws, that is not enough...you must believe in what he has given us. Jesus is the Messiah because the Messiah is who provides a way for God's people to be free. Jesus died so that we may be free from eternal death and move on to eternal life with His and our Father in Heaven. You do not get into heaven by your good works...you get into heaven by receiving the gift of grace and mercy that God gave us by sending His only son to die on the cross that whoever believes may have eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Good luck to you all...my advice? Stop trying to analyze everything...just close your eyes and say Jesus, and let him talk to your heart and answer your questions.
Read it yourself. God does not call us to tolerate other religions, he calls us to love everyone the way he love us...in spite of all the wrong things we have done. you are doing a great injustice to this world by posting thing about a subject that you do not understand...we will be held accountable for the Jesus that we show to people, and if you sugarcoat it and dumb it down , and make Jesus in to some "fun loving" passivises then you are not portraying the true Jesus that died and rose again 3 days later. you need to stop creating your own Jesus to fit your preconceived ideas, and seek after his heart and tell the world that the sin that they are living in is sending them strait to hell
lol ur crazy first i wanna say everybody knows Jesus was black reve 1:13-15. so why do u have that white ass picture of that false person. second Christian meant a total different meaning back then- Christ disciples were first called christians in antiohch becuz they had knowledge of God without going to a skool to get the info, so why wouldnt Christ be called a christian. now all of a sudden its a religion. yall need to stop with yall fables and tales and teach facts. how bout the real jews are black jere 14:2. how bout Jesus only died for the Israelites, how bout Jesus hates esau who are the so called white ppl even before he was born jus because he wanted to rom 9:13 huh teach that. Jesus is love but only for israel, the service of God only goes to the Israelites rom 9:4
little pimple....why did he then tell his disciples to never call anything he created unclean...he came to the jew first, and then the gentile, but just like with everyone else in the world...if they wouldn't do his work then he would find someone who would. he came from the middle east so of course his skin is dark, and who cares anyways...he said be holy because i am holy not be black because i am black...God looks at the heart but man judges on what he sees on the outside...it says in the Bible that He came from them but was not accepted by them because he didn't fit the mold of what they a king should look like....and further more...where does it say that Jesus was black anywhere in rev. 1:13-15, - Revelation 1:13-15 (New International Version)
13and among the lampstands was someone "like a son of man,"[a]dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
and what does jer. 14:2 have to do with anything? - Jeremiah 14:2 (New International Version)
2 "Judah mourns,
her cities languish;
they wail for the land,
and a cry goes up from Jerusalem.
none of you addressed the idea of jesus being the messiah. that was a valid point made, one you are only ignoring because you have no logical response to it.
religion was created by people for their own comfort, in a world where there is little comfort to be found. we created a god for when there is no one else to turn to in our time of need.
believe what you want, but it doesnt matter because you will all be pawns of a concept you would kill for. religion is what you make of it, and jesus was nothing more than a radical jew. he was not the only one to be crucified...
and furthermore, history is written by the educated, who could often be corrupt. we dont even know if the bible we read today was the same as what was written then. there is such a thing as "lost in translation".
i believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, and i will not try to dissuade them from that... but here is my opinion and take it as you will.
some people jusr like to stir up contraversy, I don't give any power to the rants of the mislead. every one has an poinion of who or what Jesus was, there totally missing the point. Jesus was the son of God,stop. instead of trying to understand something that is impossible to understand, just do what he says and shut up.
I am the way, the truth and the life, no one gets to the father except through me, if you require more than that, you are leaning on your own understanding about salvation. studying is great, but knowledge doesn't bring you any closer to the father without relationship with Jesus just study the pharissees, they knew all ther was to know,in there head, about God, and no closer than Judas.
remember, even the devil has a knowledge of God and Jesus.
i been thinking about religon for quite some time know an the more i think the harder it is to believe i hope jesus really did died for our sins but it still remains how do u know y wasnt jesus just a regular person with a good message that love will set u free an whats wrong with that espcially during his time with all the hate an killing going on just to try an est. one nation one supreme power on earth as the romains were doing the same way they tried controling people by fear an killing is the same way religon is controling people today with the idea that there is something bigger than us an though that they got power over peoples thoughts an there money religion is the most successful businesses they got so if the church has nice things maybe i can pray an have nice things to it gave people hope when jesus's message was not to give 10% to a church it was to give 10% to the temple of god which means the children of god u an me y not give money to someone who needs it instead of a church that doesnt an then expecting it to come back cuz u did something good but by expecting it back u defeated the purpose of the act jesus's message was good moral values an that everyone is the son of god not just him mary an jesus both point at there hearts in just about every picture b a genuine good person an the kingdom of heaven is in u
earlier i spoke my views an forgot the ? was jesus a christian an or messiah i dont i think he was very spirtual with a good heart but if everything written is half true if i was born an brought up thinking i was special an taught certain beliefs with 3 wise men an i went around preeching an then crucified an nothing special happened wouldnt the people that raised me or believed me try to defend the fact that they were wrong or if my message was that powerful that the great roman empire decided that this man reached a lot of people an we messed up by killing him so y dont we innertain the idea an we can still be a strong power without killing people by ruling them with faith espcially the poor the reason i stuggle with this cuz we live in unpure world with lying u hardly ever hear the truth the catholic church an others with worldly powers govt. etc. have hidden most of the scriptures an made a bible that benifited what they wanted it to say so how can i fully believe when i feel like people are hiding things theres something they dont want us to know when they walk around holding crosses an things of that sort with buildings so big u wonder how someone built them when the bible says thou shall not worship any molten or graven image or any other idols i do think there is something greater than me but i dont know what it is i know i stay true to myself an do what i think is right an wrong an dont believe what people tell me cuz people are dishonest an lie for the benifit of themselves everyone knows whats right an wrong an doesnt need a religouis group to tell them churches religouis groups govt an any other gang is the same to me either u believe what they tell u or they tell u u are not welcomed or try to kill u for having different thoughts or questioning theres so my beliefs are the pope an catholic church are the false profits an the govt is the antichrist killing an waging war over different beliefs when its none of our business to say what someone believes thou shall not pass judgement an every religion believes good moral values an one god
since no one else commented i have a lot more to say do i believe jesus existed yes i just believe his message was tampered with lets say he was the chosen one that god sent to this earth do u mean to tell me that he was without sin yeah right how is it that god didnt even understand why we did the things we did so he sent jesus to find out if jesus also did not have sin an temptation how could he tell god why we were doing these things jesus was man an endured the same temptations we go through daily he love lusted hated had envy i dont care how special he was u mean to tell me as they tourchered him he didnt have a good mind just to fuck them up of course he did he just didnt act on his thoughts he knew right an wrong what the cross jesus an the crucifition represent is a message that we are the people jesus said we were the hateful crybaby people that will kill if u disagree with what the majarity says his message is true believe in my word an u shall b healed not to worship me as a god an thats what most people get confused his laws were the same as the old testament just now they say that u can b a bad person an change unlike before where if u messed up u were done god wasnt so forgiving
As a Reverend Doctor myself, I believe that this is a mute point to argue. Jesus is the Son of God, therefore he is not a Christian. Christian means to be Christ like.Jesus is the model for us to be like him; meaning Christian or to some Christ like.
Lets not forget that the actual name of Jesus Christ was originally derived from Egyptian teachings and practices. "Hesus Krishna" was derived from both the Egyptian God and the Hindu God. Jesus Christ is nothing more than a translation of two gods formerly existent many thousands of years prior to the "invention" of Christianity.
Isn't it easier to make it perfectly clear that we are all part of the same grid - the same connection - the same piece of our One Creator - the fact that we heal gives us the proclamation that we are God-like and have the ability to freely command ourselves and counsel others?
Assume the incredible that we already are and have been a perfectly born soul - given life by our Creator and able to pursue our many lives of learning, life, and ability to shine on others. Because of this fact, we instill only one following and should follow our faith in doing the right thing rather than a doctrine of hypocrisy.
We Are All Children of the Same Universe
Blessings,
Blessed Be,
Namaste!
In Light & Love!
I totally agree with your statements of love. But the whole Christian theological argument is long and monotonous. Everyone knows Christ was a Jew. To be honest the modern day Bible was written by man.
The few have kept the majority in the dark with propaganda for as long as civilization has ruled human beings. My point is who knows what facts were left out or twisted to play the masses. I do believe in the Christ and I believe his love is universal. Your arguments are illusive. Id rather spend my days seeking the beauty of God in all things and all creation. Id like for that love to inspire me to do beautiful things in the name of all that is LOVE. We concentrate all of our efforts on theology and that which wars are made of rather then the efforts made to heal a dying planet and the wounds which have plagued the minds and hearts of man for millenia
1st of all thx to the first commentors on this page i almost cried lol but 2nd its funny the "arguments" of the people who dont believe in christ i dont know if you have ever heard of things that have happened that the bible has prodicted if not look it up ill try n post a link but its awsome n seriously if the bible isnt true then god is a liar witch means there is no god
may he be the glory!
There is one good way historically to determine the veracity of an article like this: it's sources.
The very fact that Wikipedia, a dating site, and a Geocities site are sourced is reason enough to just dismiss claims like the one the above author has advocated for.
Leave the actual debate to scholars, and while you are at it, use THEM for sources. Seriously.
The first two comments in response to this were good enough to rule out any further debate, really -and I don't know where the comments about the Black Jesus came from. All of his/her Biblical references were rather askew.
Rejoicing In Christ,
Stephen
Jesus was homosexual.
And he killed a boy.
And he had sex with goats.
HAIL SATAN!
its true jesus was jewish, its no secret. im a catholic myself but i know jesus was jewish
too the person that made a comment that Jesus was black... last time I checked skin color doesn't matter, so why go make a comment about it? that just shows how immature you really are, and how well your brain has developed through your life... if that's the most important thing on your mind, you need too seriously re-avaluate your life and the way you look at it.. now about whether Jesu was a christian or not? he was God, so i think he was, but that's me and i know what i believe, that's that God died for everyone..NO MATTER WHAT COLOR! i also know that one day i will join him in heaven.. peace, love, and GOD BLESS
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Well I can neither say that I am a christian, or that I study the bible religiously. But if I may say a small piece, I would like to share a little of my thoughts on the subject. From what I gather from what I have read from it in my life, is that it is mostly about caring for your fellow man and holding your self to a higher standard then to just let your self fall into that place of ill will that resides within all of us. That with his teachings, to call him christian, would be in the same as calling him a hippacrit for holding him self above god. And I would beleave that he would have had to endure that as we do still, to bring salvation, or it would be the same as throwing a pitance to the wealthy; In essance you cant save a drowning person if you, your self, cannot swim. It has always been a point of debate, in all of that, you shouldn't let the more important parts get lost to I think this or I think that. Weather he is the son of god or a lowly pauper, he had a very good point. And who honestly can say that god has always been perfect? Maybe he has faced everything that we deal with now, and was hoping to lay down a guideline so that all can live at peace one day? And as I have heard him called "Heavenly Father" countless times, looking at it from a fathers position, you only want to put them in the right direction and hope that they can find their own way, and be of their own free mind.
Hopefully mute points can be set aside and focus laid on the more important issues. I may not see him as a god, but I do respect him for the wisdom shared.
Peace, Love, and wisdom to you all.
ive been a christian all my life, the one question i cant get over is how do i know that God is real, is he real because he's been grounded into my head since i was a babe or is he the creator of the univers,
i believe in manifest destiny in that we manifest or futures by the choices and tracks we set today, the one thing that keeps me coming back to god is the fact that i am a piece of *^%$ and still with all knowing eyes he stretches out his arms to the lost son and pours his love and grace on me, i dont know if God is just some character in a book that keeps us all quite or if he is just a way for us to find peace in the unexplained or if he is mans way of setting the best guide lines, but i do know the feeling of his love and grace, and let me tell you im a very judgemental person to myself, but there isnot one person that can tell me when i praise God that he doesnt exist because i feel his presence take over every part of me, i cant explain it and ive been trying for 21 years, i think the best comment on here is "just sit back and let Jesus show you who he is" im not sure what verse it is but it goes something like this, nock and the door will be opened for you seek and ye shall find,
rather God is real or not ive never felt more love or exceptance from any thing in this world, I purposely fell into drugs, sex, “the world” to let God pull me back, I told God to F off and when I came back to God I was over come with his infinite grace and mercy and love, it brought me to tears, the things of this world will always suck you in and leave you lying in the gutter and constantly depleting who you are but the things of God uplift you and fill that place inside that nothing else can fill
if youre not a christain this is a hard concept to grasp but asking questions is always good, I like the statement that prompted these comments because somewhere out there someone is seeing the light
I took an old girlfriend to church once and she broke down crying, she was scared and she said, “what if this is real”
When ever I have my doubts I say “Jesus” and be it corny or not I know he is there,
One thing to remember is that just because you believe Jesus doesn’t exist doesn’t mean he’s imaginary
May the power love mercy and grace of Jesus Christ be with you all
It should also be noted that Mohammad did not intend on creating his own religion, but instead thought he was bringing Judaism to his people.
Ironic, don't you think?
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
I think this pretty much sums it up...
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I AM a spiritual (not religious person.)
to me religion is a dirty word because it creates seperateness, MY GOD IS RIGHT AND YOUR GOD IS WRONG attitude.
outside of true spirituality or the I AM level, everything else, the colour of skin, nationality etc, is all external and illusion.
Namaste-------------Sarek
You are misrepresenting scriptures.
You cannot take two pieces of scripture and put them together without looking at the context.
SOME of what you are saying about Jesus is true, but you can't justify it by fusing totally unrelated bible verses together so they support your claims.
I think that you have the message right. Jesus doesnt want us to live hating one another and waiting for God's hand to smit the unrighteous. I believe that the Bible is a skewed version of God's word handed down and changed throughout history eg The council of Micea and the reworking/translating from traditional Hebrew into English. You have to realise that the teachings are much like the stories given to little children. They are vignettes on how we are supposed to live are lives, without knowing it alot of christians have become more and more unaccepting of other ppl. Should we not SHOW others through HOW we live and WHAT we do rather than telling them HOW they SHOULD live!? Fire and brimstone will work anymore because Hell isnt just a mythical place for some ppl, its a real living place here on Earth, where suffering and death and war reign over hope and dreams and love. I do not see acceptance as blasphemous or wrong. It is the first step to showing how good life can be in this life and the next.
(btw to all of you who think that the "quotes" were taken out of context. It is no different than what right wing conservatives do in order to USE religion as a free pass to presecute and prosecute those who are different. This has been happening since the concept of religion began. Its just easier for it to be thrown back now. Stay strong in faith and soft in heart because God not only punishes the wicked but he also punishes those who judge.
Judge not least you be judged. )
How am I supposed to "Love thy neighbor" when most of them are child molestors, rapists, murderers etc???? I think a God needs to come down and tell someone to rewrite the book to the world around us now and not the world where it was okay to have 15 year old girls as your sex toys!!
To put things simple, The word christian means to be christ like all followers of christ are refferd as such. So in technical terms jesus being christ wouldnt be a christian, those that follow him are. And yes jesus was a Jew he wasnt black nor white, he was a member of God chosen people The Jews. now he might have been dark complected do to the area of the world he was in while walking the earth. As for the kingdom of god it is here, if you go back and study the Old testament a little you will understand the statment that the kingdom is here, with christ death on the cross and defeat of death, we are given a opurtunity to make it there as for earth no earth isnt it that not what it ment. Befor the coming of christ there wasnt a way out, we were all punished buy death living mearly on our actions which isnt ever gona be enough for the kingdom of god, for God can not see sin. thanks to Adam and eve sin s passed down from are father. any way study a little more, OLD TESTAMENT.
there is no god
Wow! You guys know that there is more history out there than just the bible right? Jesus was a practicing jew and a member of the jewish chruch...he was an Essene! And I find it odd that many of you are backing up your arguments with quotes of Paul(Saul) and passing them off as Jesus. Paul didn't even meet Jesus in his lifetime! There is not one account of Paul ever quoting Jesus! And guys, Paul thought the world was going to end 1900 years ago, he thought Jesus was going to return within days, not years. Some of the largest christian led atrocities have been based on the misleading teachings of the Apostle Paul. He disrespects Simon Peter calling him cephas(little boy) and not kephas(rock)and opposes him in public whenever he gets the chance! When will we realize that Christianty was politically manipulated from the start? What paul did could have been the greatest coup in history and everyone is just too wrapped up in their own beleifs to realize it! If you would like to challange what I have said here is my email
fletcher9890@yahoo.com
I do not belive in god, however, I do have my own point of veiw on the 'story' of god. Think about when the book was first writen. We know god himself didnt write the book. How do we figure that god is a man? He brings life to the world in 7 days correct? A woman brings life while the man stands back and watches. So unless god has a sick since of humor. Your god isnt a man. The person that
holds the pen adds their own perspective, and all the pen-holders were men.
These being male-dominated times, the Pharisees and High Priests felt
threatened by the idea of a woman lording over them and controlling their fates. So they made sure that She became a He Doesn't stop with God - the whole book is slanted and gender-biased: a woman's responsible for the
first sin, the fall of man, and the expulsion from Eden. A woman cuts Sampson's coif of power, a woman asks for the head of John the Baptist. Read that book again some time - women are painted as bigger antagonists than the fucking Egyptians and Romans combined.
Women are the only gender that can
create life, just like God created the universe. Who else but a mother
could have the infinite patience with impudent children that God has with humanity. A woman can give birth to and nurture both sexes, so psychologists theorize that women are the only gender both sexes can feel completely comfortable with; and the faithful - both male and female - feel at ease with God. In time of trial, our first instinct is to implore the aid of the Almighty, just as when you're a child, the only person who can
make it all better is mom.
When are you people going to learn? It's not about right or wrong - it's a question of faith. It doesn't matter what you believe in - just that you
believe.
May the god of your choice bless and keep you.
wow did ppl really not get the point of this... WE ALL KNOW CHRIST WAS A JEW!!!!! the point is that the christian faith was began 400 years after death so its teachings are all based on translations... anyone who has ever played the telephone game knows how unreliable it is. in my personal option anyone who bases their faith entirely on the writings of a book translated more times than any other book in recorded history is a blind fool who is incapable of their own thoughts and feelings.
there were 4 original churches in the bible. one in egypt. it was catholocism that apread in the 4th century when constantine's roman empire had gotten too large to maintain control and a unity was needed. catholocism was born.also heard about purgatory? so when do you actually go to heaven?
what's funny is Jesus wasn't Christian because Christianity is based upon his death. go figure.
what's amazing about the book is that they are amazing scriptures that were written and contemplated and put down on parchment and have still stayed together as long as they have for some part over the generations eminating from aramaic. also, people are getting angry in the blogs theyw rote. that's how sensitive the subject is. people have died for less and killed for half as much.
Exodus 34:14 - For thou shalt worship no other god: for YHWH, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
This a quote from the Old Testament and of the Jewish Torah.
By worshiping Christ you are worshiping another god. Thus, you are breaking gods commandment.
"Well he is the son of god."
Christ put forth the new testament to "Prove" his authority and his lineage. New Testament does nothing more then to contradict the Old, and abjudicate the word of God. Any man can write a book declaring themselves the son of GOD. But, frankly we are all children of GOD.
"Only through me will you reach the father." ~Jesus
That is such a load of bullshit.
Isaiah 40:21-31 Declares YHWH has no equal.
Jesus was just a man who wanted to be worshiped. To put it simply, he was suffering from a Messiah complex; a state in which the individual believes themselves to be, or destined to become, the savior, just like ever other religious zealot.
Men Like, Marshall Applewhite of Heavens Gate, who convinced his followers that only through him will they reach heaven. They believed in his words so deeply they killed themselves on his order. Or Joseph Smith of the Mormons who created his own book to adjudicate the Old and New testaments.
They are men who wanted to be worshiped, who were very charismatic and could have the masses eating out his their hands.
Just because they had a massive amount of followers, who believed there lies, does not mean that they were the Messiah.
Jesus understood psychology and was a well read in the Torah. He knew how to manipulate people. He know about how the Messiah would ride in on a donkey through the gates of the city and used that to his advantage.
And just like a modern day street magician, he could perform "miracles" before the people.
I am not convinced in the works of Jesus. I've prayed for years, that if he is indeed the savior for me to see a sign. But everything in my heart tells me that I should only worship YHWH and no other.
OH! and on the topic of Christ being black. Wow, the man who believes that shit is really ignorant. Just like so many cultures trying to create Jesus in their image. Jesus was in fact not black, he was Jewish and yes Jews in the middle east, especially Jews who spend a great deal of their lives out side are going to be dark skinned. Not all dark skinned individuals are black. Hell I am dark skinned and am I black. Hell no.
This blog is the best troll ever. I've seen the ways of god, I'll take the devil any day; Hail Satan!
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.
6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.[b]
10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
*Face palms* Anon, you side with Lucifer just like every other young dumb ass. "Its the in thing to do."
John 1 came from the new testament and does nothing to dispute my previous post.
I'm not what some people would call a Bible thumping Christian, so I'm not going to mis-quote Gods word. I do know enough to know you, friend have not stuidied the word you own self. You are correct in saing "Jesus was not a Christian." Dah. Maybe because he IS Christ? To be a Christian, is to be Christ like. May people down through the years have claimed to be Christians. Most, with the best intentions. But then we have the radicals; "Our way is the only way!" Example- K.K.K.. They don't act very Christ like do they? Things like that, and say, the Salem witch trials, give Christian a bad name. But instead of blaming things like this on God, or His Word, put the blame on man and his misleading teachings of Gods word. If what you have written on this page were true, then the life, and cruxification of Jesus was in vain. Look it up in the Bible. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the light. NO man can get into the kingdom of heaven except through me." Pretty self explainatory. I copied the following for the over educated non-belivers................ Professor v.s. God
A United States Marine was attending some college courses between assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist and a member of the ACLU.
One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes." The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes wentby and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting." It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold. The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked, "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you do that?"
The Marine calmly replied, "God was too busy today protecting America's troops who are protecting your right to say stupid crap and act like a jerk................So, He sent me." The Lord does work in mysterous ways.....
Haaaaa....hahahahahaaa huh hmmm...
Well now gather around creatures of dust and spit who were inflated with life by the breath of Yaltabaoth. Learn of the Monad the monarchy with nothing above it. It is he who exists as the Father of everything. He is the invisible spirit of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him,since everything exists in him. There is a chain of creations proior to the creator god which led to the creation of are existance in the fathers likeness of what he created that was pure. The statement 1 true god is not just a saying they're are many other powerful beings known as aeons that can be mistaken as gods to us for yes they appear to be more powerful than us mere humans but they're remains to be 1 TRUE father rather than god for he is far greater than the understanding of a god for he existed before understanding. Jesus IS Christian for he is the Christ, Christianity is beyond a religion for it is the understanding of these things not just a belief, the understanding that there are divine beings on this earth that are bound in flesh. They that understand know the Christ is the key to the father for he is the perfect man, even before he came to this planet, so through him being the son of the father we can return to the father through him. The bible gives us instructions to a test which is are lives, were being tested so that only the elite divine may be among the father, we will fight against the evil that was created to prove our loyalty to the father as his pure divine creations. Even those who are good people in this earth may not get to the father for simply goodness means nothing but good, for you must understand and know Christ then learn the instructions then pass the test then show your loyalty but will only get to if you understand and know Christ. To the ones who focus on color you will not get to for the father has no color so color means nothing. To the ones that claim the creation of what we know is of a woman haha well stop being such a feminist for what does it mater if you don't understand? But you were close the one who created what we know was a male, but the one who created him was a woman her name is Sophia she is not the creater though for she and him and all were created by the father monarchy with nothing above it. It is he who exists as the Father of everything. He is the invisible spirit of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him,since everything exists in HIM. To those who hear listen to those that see realise that through Christ is the only way. I need not name chapter and number, I need not for these things are from a book of gnosis, for those who understand. I speak not to the flesh but to the spirit of those who are divine. I AM JAS
John 14:5-7 5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[a] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
John 8:58 "I tell you the truth, " Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Luke 17:21nor will people say, ’Here it is, ’ or ’There it is, ’ because the kingdom of God is within
This is my way of clearly disputing that the only way to heaven is to worship or believe in Jesus... Jesus is merely stating the truth that he is god, god is speaking through him, and he is obviously an enlightened human being. He speaks to different people in different way in order to try to convey his teachings. The statement I AM and its meaning pervades almost any belief that involves higher consciousness because enlightened people aren’t bound by the laws of physics or anything for that matter.
I believe that jesus like budda was merely a great teacher... Unfortunately jesus’s message was lost threw translation and corruption of the church... Could you imagine having millions of people slaughtered in your name when you taught to love everyone.
I believe there is no one correct religion. They are merely flavors people identify with different things based on culture and other experiences. I believe there is one pervading energy, force, god, truth, or what ever you want to call it that connects us all. I believe the ultimate test is when we can all love each other more than we love our own self. That ultimate love is what is capable of unlocking of the unimaginable truth.
The funny thing I find is that jesus never said worship me only follow me... As in do as I do... Follow the leader...
I believe jesus was a messiah, he did and still to this day liberates people, just as I believe there were others before him. I am curious if there will be someone of such biblical or spiritual influence in our lifetime. Or maybe there is and we are just to blind to see it.
I believe that Jesus would not condone the Christianity of today. He would be down right ashamed of the majority of people claiming to follow him. He preached action not sitting on your laurels waiting to be saved. You "christians" have been waiting for 1000's of years and have done little to actually live as Jesus lived. Jesus was killed because what he taught would've upset the power structure of that time. The jews did not want everyone to be equal and that is what Jesus taught. I personally believe that the Bible is incomplete and some parts just down right false. Live as Jesus lived and then the kingdom of heaven will come to fruition on earth. Jesus did not die for our sins he died to give an example of selflessness. If only he were able to finish his teachings and reveal his way. If all you are doing is waiting how will anything get done.
I think this blog is the work of the devil, and I also don't think that God needs any of us here to defend him against this blog or the people who agree with it.
No human can get another one to believe in Christ. Its not our job. We can't change anyone. So this is just pointless arguments which was the blog's intention in the first place.
You are Christians because at some point, a roman soldier held a sword to someone's throat and said, "this is what you are". Roman empire=Christianity...
Ottoman empire=Islam...
Having said that, there must be some form of structure in order for a society to work. If the masses need some sort of "fear of god" complex, well, so be it. Unfortunately, this bastardized mythology that is Christianity teaches an unreasonable form of compassion...Europeans have found ways around this...loopholes, if you will, but still suffer from a guilt that need not be. I'm not here to question the existence of an absolute god, that's someone else's noose. I'm here to say that the bible, while being one of the most important books ever written, is just that...a book. I don't believe in bible prophecy, but I do admit, it gives me a scare sometimes. It's just a matter of how someone interprets it. Is Gog and Magog a reference to Russia? It could be, now couldn't it? It could also be a reference to someone or something else, but then again, who really knows? More importantly, who cares? Look, there will probably be a third world war and many people will probably die. I don't need a book to tell me that. I trust in the bomb. I've seen the bomb. I know it's real. In regards to the whole "Black Jesus" thing, you need to accept the fact that you were dealt a bad hand in life and quit making unreasonable suggestions about the ethnicity of someone who may or may not have existed over two thousand years ago.
Well I have several points I wish to make, I'll start with the "Jesus was black". Many people think its a way for white men to degrade everyone else. Well I would argue that it is natrual to assume that your god looks like you. In years past nobody even knew that there was a "black people", and those that did were few and far between.
It is also my understanding that the god of abraham, I believe its "yahweh", is what Jews and Christians call god. It is lesser known that this same being was allah that spoke to Muhammed(sp? sorry). All of this world's major religions, monotheistic(if you include christianity) stem from the same Being "God". So we really are obligated not to convert, but to love, for we are... step-siblings from monotheism.
My last point is that why do people need a God just to live like good human beings. We need to be threatened by Hell just to not kill rob or commit adultery. And if we have a god, I think we must be able to assume that this god lives in a higher dimesion then we do. If this is true are there other gods? What if we were this "god" things first experiment, then discarded while he created a new and better universe? its important to get the message out of the texts, or you're just going to start fights.
actualy Jesus was not a jew, nor a christian...he was a follower of "john the baptist" john the baptist was searching for a successor and shortly after baptizing Jesus in the fallowing and teachings of the early form of Christianity that john was fallowing, Christ decided to carry on in the footsteps of john...im atheist and i nkow this... i also agree with darkthaughtbox
First of all, I'd like to say that I love this blog. The person writing it- hang in there. People will trash it because the constructs they've built in their head are being threatened.
Second- Darkthoughtbox who posted before me- its interesting that you criticize this blogger for "taking passages out of context" when YOUR people have been doing the exact same thing, in order to have an excuse to condemn black people, and now gay people. So please shut up and know your place. You can't really say something like that without looking like a fool.
Third- the idiot that said Jesus was black was wrong. LOL! He wasn't black. From my understanding, he was of middle-eastern descent.
Fourth- its interesting looking at the couple of posts before mine- these people are proof of just how arrogant people can possibly get- that they can claim to KNOW what God has said "out of his mouth." Like you have actually sat down and talked with "him." (I can't believe people still consider God as this human-like figure with a gender). You weren't even there hundreds of years ago when the Bible was being constructed, and the church was gaining power, or even when Jesus was around.
These people are insane. I used to be a Christian, and it wasn't until now that I look back and realize what kind of psychological manipulation I was under.
Grow up people. Get a life, and stop telling other people that they will go to hell.
Jesus was not a chritian, he was jewish. He was crucified with the sign "King of the Jews" the following aspects of the spirit was then controled my men and delegated to men as men see fit through the church. Over the years people have become more and more distant from the core of his spirit which was love. You may not realize that he obtained the ultimate of all spirits, of all energy. No man has the knowledge of such things cause no man allows the enlightenment of all energy with the use of proper moral decension. The point is to live blameless without deeds that prove damaging to the soul!!!
Its very interesting from your view i appreciate you sharing this
Ernie, your a white jew?
Since Abraham originated from Ur, nearly a milenium after the flood. This means you are either a product of intermarriages with pagans or you are not a child of Issac. Abraham had two children, both of which started prosperous communities. Abraham was not the perfect dad, but he had illusions of being one. Abraham sent his first son Ishmael, into the desert to die, because he thought this would make his life 'holier'. In turn Ishmael headed off the worship of Melquart (a different name for YHWH, which acknowledges the cruelty of mankind, and imperfection of the law.) I'm not really sure Jews are the kind of people I want to entrust the world to, and if you want it that way, you'd better try to wipe out the muslims as soon as possible.
Without Christ to forgive sins, don't the Jews deserve to suffer the wrath of Ishmael, because of the sin of their father Abraham? Since Ishmael is also decendent of Abraham, they are entitled to worship the same God, and recieve the same blessing without even following the laws of Moses (decendant of Issac.) Issac, carried on his father's religion, which had pretty much dissapated by the time of Elijah. When all the isrealites worshiped Melquart. During exile in Assyria Jews arguably ceased to exist, but a small band of Jews travelled north to the Black Sea (Gog, Maggog?) where they integrated around Europe and intermarried, mixing their heritage with pagans and loosing their dark complexion.
Jesus did not asked to be worshiped above YHWH, he claimed to be YHWH, therefore by worshiping Jesus, we are worshiping YHWH we are simply making the distinction that we don't have to be son's of Abraham to do it. Like any religion with a prophesied END (salvation) it ceases to exist.
444. do you really understand the meaning of that sacred number. It seems to me like you aren't totally sure what to think of Jesus. Remember without Jesus, there would be no John, and without John there would be no 444. Therefore anyone that honors 444 theory must respect the existence of Jesus as hell's untouchable else they are simply mischevious impersonators.
HeavenIsALie, it sounds like you've run into a lot of dickheads. Maybe if you go to a nice little church you'd meet a nice respectful guy that cares about you, youd have to stay away from drugs and adultery, and give up any fascination with gay men. Men and women are totally different, but women are associated with all things beautiful and comforting, which bears witness, that just because they aren't associated with strength and dominance, does not mean that they have been cheated through the course of the ages. If your a woman, and you prefer strength and dominance over beauty and comfort, you literally don't know what your talking about.
JesusWasBlackGuy,
yes jews are black (middle eastern), yes jesus was black (middle eastern). There is no such thing as an arian jew, who is of pure enough heratige to claim the blessings of Abraham. Rock on 50%! However, there is no such thing as a black jew. They prefer to call themselves muslims or Gangstas. In the best cases, they educate themselves, study Ishmaelic/Ottoman cultures, stop talking in broken English, and go international. Integration would be much smoother for them than a gringo like me.
To: Universal Life Orgie
If you don't believe in Jesus, don't talk about him. If you believe in Jesus, you should understand that his existence symbolizes our ability to exist beyond condemnation from: governments, religions, antagonists, including Puritans and other christians. Going to heaven means, not suffering condemnation in hell. If you were on your way to heaven, you would not suffer condemnation.
JESUS IS THE CHRIST...THE MESSIAH. FACT!
What would it hurt if you had faith in Jesus' teachings and lived by Holy principles than you died and your soul went nowhere? What would it matter if you lived your life for today loving everyone as you want to be loved? It would hurt nothing & it would matter alot. It's true that bad things happen in the world. It's up to us as human beings to oppose the evil in the world with love.
Beautiful diversity, my friends. Don't ever change your message. I was an ordained minister of Christ, and I realize that most "Christians" don't even know what their faith entails nor do they want to. Of course, the same could be said for most faiths. Blessed be, my friends. Blessed be.
You know, it's funny how there are so many hypocrites and liers trying 2 preach something in these comments (speaking of the Christians mostly) that I don't fully understand why they are preaching in the first place. If a sect is gonna make up rules, irregardless whether they say "God did it" or "Jesus spoke it", why don't u guys follow it, hmmm? Every single word written in any books including the bible is written by men, irregardless whether they be inspired or not, therefor it is and will always be tainted with numerous unjustifiable falsifications. I agree with the poster entirely, and for you folks come on here and break another rule, in which I allowed myself to adopt into my own spirituality "Thou shalt not judge lest ye be judged". Shut your traphole and let a real educator educate, lest ye be no better than the Pharisees that lectured your "infamous" Jesus. In fact, it might do you some good to sit down and listen to this poster, because while Jesus may be Jew by blood, Christ by name, I'm willing 2 bet his real religion is Wiccan. I mean, come on, look at it, he practices witchcrafts (healing, multiplying bread, speaking 2 spirits, raising dead, etc etc), he had 13 coven members (disciples as you folks prefers it), and etc. Then you folks decides to steal the Pagans holidays "to help with 'our' conversion", plopping your churches onto our alters as well as plopping your "Sabbath Day" onto ours. Read up, follow through, check the other side of the fence before you go preaching your "godliness" on these forums. Ask questions, challenge your superior, don't allow yourself to be so brainwashed, but don't judge them because they didn't know either, because they are just as brainwashed as you guys and gals are. Let's not be so quick to judge things and call them something they are not, that is what the poster is trying to say. Don't sit there and argue the point, either. Think about it, first, find the truth within what he and I have to say, ponder on how it came to be, and pretty soon you'll realize there is nothing on this earth worth argueing and fighting about as far as religion goes. For "Christ's" sake (no pun intended), people are dieing in wars over in Israel and Pakistan over what?! A freakin rock? Are you really serious? That's what I was able to boil it down to, and if I were to be so bold, if I were this "God", I would be very indescribably disappointed, not just in those two countries alone, but in the whole world for not stopping this madness and say "ENOUGH!!!" But hey, government is built out of religion and vice versus, and you know the old saying, "War is good for business" so everybody hops on this bandwagon and in comes the money. So next time you wanna criticize a poor person for denouncing Christ as not being Christian, get a can of shut-the-fuck-up and listens, not just "hear", but really listens to what he/she has to say, because a person can always learn even from a fool, for we are all fools in our own rights.
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I think people need to wake up and realize we're in the 21st century..how many will waste their lives to this old book that was written by MAN in order to gain control?? For someone to force what the bible "teaches" down other's throats..i have a serious problem with that and that to me aspires me to look for my OWN truths, not accepting this stuff because people from 2,000 years ago wanted to scare the masses to gain control over them!! People can believe whatever they want to believe, but they need to be open minded and not force their beliefs onto others.
From all the arguments that I have read, I did not know why and how people came to such conclusion... Be it yes or no, we should hold an open-mind to any direction of argument. This is no age for dogma, this is the age of reasoning. The very fact that the Bible has always been misunderstood is that it has been interpreted as 'I like it to be'. Why don't anyone stop and think for a while, which language the Bible speaks? Also, who is the people who read the Bible for thousands of years before we even walk the Earth?
If you say they did not know what they have been reading for thousands of years, it is just like telling an English and say 'We Chinese knew your history better dear,'
When the Bible is taken out of its tradition and context, everything became dry and poisonous. The Bible is not an easy document and it is definitely not dead. Listen to what the Sages have to say, and learn the Bible in their enthusiasm..
"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another."-Galatians 5:14-15
"This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as i have loved you. Greater Love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."-John 15:12-13
Christ was the messiah and he was our salvation. But, we have manipulated his teachings to benefit our own desires. We want it to be as simple as our concept of doing whatever the hell we want and we just say i'm sorry and we're in. It was said the way to the Father is through the Son, but we are not interpreting that statement correct. We are assuming that He is teaching us that we must go through Him to get to God, but what He's trying to explain to us is that we must become like Him in order to get close to God. The way to the Father is through the Son, through Love, through Understanding, through Compassions and Humility, etc. That is the way to God, that is the way to what we call heaven.
Religion has allowed man to manipulate the scriptures God has given to this world in order to generate great churches and followings that stand strong to their own interpretations and condemn the interpretations of others. If all the law is Love and the only laws that came with Christ are to Love our God more than anything else and to Love our neighbors more than ourselves, we have definitely missed the boat on this one.
I am a Christian, but I am no longer blinded by Christianity and its exploitation of our God's word.
The fact is, I must live for you, and you must live for me. Ghandi once said, "It is the duty of every cultured man or woman to read sympathetically the scriptures of the world. If we are to respect others' religions as we would have them respect our own, a friendly study of the world's religions is a sacred duty."
That sounds like doing to others as you would want done unto you. The same fundamental precept found in Christianity and every other major religion of the world. How beautiful a day when all men come together and worship the one true God in unity rather than in separation. If we all united under different scriptures but with the same Love, the same hope, and the same compassion, we would be living the way we were expected to. God has tried every way possible to give us the truth and set us free from our own selves. But we are stubborn, and fearful.
Our traditions and our teachings have become our idols. When we hold something so high that it separates us from God, we have created an idol.
God is love. He is the Father of us all, even though some might call Him by a different name. I call my father Dad, my brother calls him Papa, but he is still one in the same.
Irregardless isn't a word.
Regardless is, however.
Just throwin' that one out there. :)
Hahaha.
Jesus didn't have to be a Christian, He's God the Son. All that He created seems to reflect His triune nature. Just look at us; we seem to be 1 being, & all come equipt with 2 more counter parts, our souls, & our mental energy. That is what makes up a man: his physical being, his mental energy, & his spiritual soul.
He is Risen!
The bible is a man-made doctrine, written by scholars trying to interpret God. Yes, there is historical data in the book, and yes, it can be a useful guide on how to live righteously and against the inherent selfishness that followed humanity in its evolutionary cycle. I believe in God. I believe Heaven and hell are here on earth and God wants us to cultivate heaven. That's how I live my life. I try and do good, first and foremost, and above all, do no harm. I do this in every transaction I involve myself in be it with myself or with another human being. I love God with all my heart, not because I fear, Him/Her/It, but because I know God loves me. I know God is the ultimate parent and He wants us to be good, well behaved and productive children. When we commit transgressions we are not only hurting others, but ourselves as well. God gives us every opportunity to pull ourselves toward His light, but it is our blindness caused by self absorption that prevents us from finding these opportunities. I actively seek these opportunities, try to be the best child a parent could want, and I see the blessing God has bestowed upon me - and every day I thank him; really thank him. I do this without reading the bible, going to church, or accepting anyone as my savior. And I am truly happy. Thank you, God, thank you for everything.
critian
means that we follow christ. the word christian comes from the word christ. so by you saying that Jesus was not a chritian does not make sense because how is it thats Jesus christ is goin to follow himself, when in fact hes the way.
just one thing to say whoever it was who said i dont believe in jesus reread what i wrote i believe he existed i just dont think hes as special as what yall making him out to be i think he had a good message i just think he was a messiah he was teaching something that was offered to people if they wanted to listen if not he kept going he didnt try to push religion or put down anybody for not doing his will he taught gods law he doenst have to b a comic book hero with special talents for me to respect what he taught an try an do the same in my life
its me again i miswrote something above i meant i dont think he was a messiah an also whoever tried to critize me earlier i also thank u for letting me know what that number meant i have been through just about every page in the bible looking its a number thats been following me ive been seeing it for years i felt like it was something good just didnt know through it i have found great things an quotes god does work in misterous ways doesnt he
I am the Criticism Bomber that posted earlier.
444,
Don't take my criticisms as a personal assault. I have a very traumatic reason for 'watchingdogging' 444. The only reason i responded to you, was because i wasn't sure if other people's experiences were at all similar to mine. Also I was off my medication and wanted people to acknowledge the danger of ignoring compassion and forgiveness.
Unlike you, I followed the number, searching for the next dimention of enlightenment. Until by accident I returned to my mistically embeded family after only a year of running away. They were convinced without a word being spoken that i was 'spiritually associated.' They brought me to a psyc ward, where i found my situation to be completely uncontrolable. Among other implicative things, i testified: it is impossible for me to ever be loved. People were convinced that I was somebody special, yet I was afraid of being incriminated for doing some of the things they motioned me towards.
Since then my life has been seemingly meaningless, except that I wish to extend my compassion, to protect my friends from unnecesary sorrow, in hopes that they will do the same. If that is the only reason for me (to claim) to believe in the 'jesus' idea, i'm sure its enough to save me from the 'hell' idea shall we say. I simply take no pleasure in having power alone.
I'd like to expand with you but not on forum.
with all respect,
BON APATITE!!!!
i hope you have better luck
my name is jim, my email is
pluto444@live.com
It baffles me that people actually think they know the truth.. Do you realize how long ago this was? Are you really going to believe the "facts" passed down by men through that many generations... Just look at 1 or 2 generations and you'll see what I mean.
"JESUS was a Christian!"
this is a misleading website!
John 3:16 for God so loved the world he gave his one and only begotten son for whoever believed in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Blind faith is a form of ignorance. I hope you rubes like giving your money to the churches (aka the 2nd largest land owners in the world). I'd have more of a chance of having a prayer answered if I prayed to the sun or a bag of chips. Take the fundamentals of being a better person but ditch the ghost story and maybe you nuts would be respected by non-believers.
my favorite story in the bible is how people were creating the tower of babel. (woot universal life) and god confused their languages, so that they would scatter, and persue their own hapinesses.
Therefore, the way i see it. There is no truth, only psycological effects, that either make people distance from each other (hate) or bring people together to acomplish joint efforts (love)
jesus aparently was hated and loved. he expressed love to people that were hated, and hate to people that were depicted as 'better' than others. He was a balancer in a comunity that had a one way feed.
you spent way to much time on this. everyone knows jesus was a jew. but thanks for wasting my time.
aww look at all the dipshits who think god is real jesus was fake god is fake go find something eles to fill that whole in ur life instead of drulling over every word ur stupid little books say
Jesus never said he was a Christian. That dosen't make any sense. I don't know any Christians that say Jesus was a Christian...nuff said
kill the police
kill the whole force
smash the system
destroy the courts.
When anyone looks at the New Covenant (Testament) from the outside it's easy to think that Jesus was both a Christian and God. However, it's not until one really search's very deep into the scriptures that one learns that Jesus real name was Yahshua (which means Yah-Saves which was given to him by God). His real faith was Jewish (John 4:22 KJV) and although he was and is the Messiah (which means anointed and set apart person) he himself is not God. That last one may sound evil to many, but when anyone goes really deep into the scriptures they will find this to be true. Yahshua (Jesus) never did say that he was God, as for the "hints" that he often said it's not until one goes deep into the context of the word that one finds out that he was not claiming to be God, as he was often misunderstood. Many will not understand this until the day they are both seen, which is in the years to come.
Jesus was a fake messiah to finish a fake powerhungry jewish religion.
Hail Odin father of wisdom!
Grown ups don't need a universal religion or government to raise their sons and daughters in peace.
Insecure childish brats need a universal religion and government to enslave mankind to make themselves feel better, since they are incapable of providing for their families.
DEATH TO PHAROAH, DEATH TO CEASAR, DEATH TO PATRIARCS, DEATH TO ENLIGHTENMENT!
CRUCIFY HIM AND DRINK HIS BLOOD!
Jesus Christ was not a Christian. You are right he was a practicing Jew. But Christian follow Christ and there comes the Christ in it. Jewish religion does not believe Jesus was the Messiah, so they don't regard the New Testament. Jews only follow Old testament, but Christians follow both. They follow the same God, but difference in beliefs.
I am going to make 3 posts back to back, this will be the first and I need to explain a little something before I post the second. I think you'll find this interesting...
This article, "Jesus was not a Christian!" is actually an updated version of a previous article under the same title posted on April 8th by The Rev. Alan Boyd at http://blog.themonastery.org/2009/04/what-else-would-jesus-do.html (you can try the link but the page was removed shortly after I posted my rebuttal.)
I was on Myspace.com during the morning of April 8th and an advertisement/banner was at the top of my page about the Universal Life Church claiming that Jesus was not really a Christian. It was a great marketing scheme to suck me in, so I applaud Universal Life Church via Alan Boyd for his choice of words picking that title. Slanting Jesus publicly has definitely brought in alot of extra traffic when you compare the amount of comments (83) on this article to all three other articles in ULC's blog homepage for the month of April (comments are 0,83,2) and for the sixteen articles posted in the month of March (0 comments altogether).
This is the original article that was posted and I was the 4th or 5th person to reply to it. I feel that it is my reply that helped ULC remove that webpage link and re-write the article completely. I am glad that they took some of my suggestions to heart. My 2nd post will be my rebuttal. The reason I have all this information is because I saved the original article, my comment/rebuttal and dates for some reason, not knowing they would actually remove the page completely and re-write it soon after my comment.
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The Rev. Alan Boyd
Jesus was not a Christian. In fact, Jesus was a practicing Jew. Before 1973 Jesus’ Jewishness was not a given in Christian thought. Jesus wandered lost in the overextended fantasy of Christian imagining. But the real Jesus is no longer lost. In 1973 Jesus became Jewish again. Why? Geza Vermes, Oxford University’s first professor of Jewish Studies, published Jesus the Jew. Amazing how a well-researched book can shift our thinking. But some will say, “What about the Good Book? Doesn’t it tell us who Jesus was?”
No, it tells us what Christians thought about Jesus, not who Jesus really was. If we want to find the real Jesus, we have to drill through the encrusted layers of Christian tradition to find him. Or, to use another metaphor, we have to peel back the successive layers of the Christian onion to approach the Jewish male who lived in the first third of the tumultuous First Century CE.
One layer we have to peel back is the deliberate changes made in the New Testament manuscripts to bolster the deity of Jesus. For example, the earliest and best authenticated reading at Luke 3:22 is My son you are; I today have birthed you (quoting Psalm 2:7). You won’t find this reading in your English translations. Why? This reading was rejected by many early Christian scribes because it seems to say that Jesus became “God’s son” at his baptism. Not a popular position with the orthodox.
Another layer we have to peel back is to honestly acknowledge that every English translation is
hypothetical. No one, but no one, can say that they possess the New Testament documents as originally written. Why? First, the originals are lost to the mists of time. Second, the copies we do have reflect a “living” text, not a “settled” text. The manuscripts reflect the distinctive beliefs of the individual Christian communities which read them. Third, the Greek text, upon which every English translation is based, never existed. It’s a hypothetical construct. Fourth, we need to honestly acknowledge that there are errors, some of them major, in the hypothetical Greek text which translators use. For example, there are 250 errors in the critical apparatus of the Nestle-Aland 27th edition of 1 Corinthians alone (Reuben Swanson, New Testament Greek Manuscripts: 1 Corinthians [2003] xxv-xxvi). Some are errors where the editors guess about blank spaces in the text. Swanson muses, “It is difficult to understand how so many errors in the reporting of the data can have occurred.” What does all this mean? Christians don’t own Jesus; they never have. In fact, we don’t even own the text which tells Jesus’ story. Jesus the Jew refuses to stay entombed in Christian imagining. The next time someone says to you, “But, the Bible says . . . ,” reply, “Really!!?”
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Wow, re-reading this makes me remember how quick I got to the rebuttal.
This is my rebuttal to the original version of this article, "Jesus was not a Christian", which I said before was originally posted on April 8th, 2009.
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This article is completely one-sided and states opinion as mere fact. On a pure intellectual level, I must say that whoever wrote this, needs to practice the art of persuasion a whole lot more! And look up the word empirical. Anyways, this article is an obvious ploy based on very little hard evidence, only proclaimed "facts". Its intended purpose is to fool children and uneducated Christians into accepting a Universal Luciferian Doctrine of one world, one religion. And of course, their greatest enemy to this one world religion is Jesus Christ, the one world religion that has already been established by God sacrificing his only begotten son on the cross for the sins of humanity, something that Lucifer will never be able to copy. This glorious gospel has been preached to the ends of the world. The emotional humanism used to promote this universal church is almost enough to get a reaction of sympathy from me, but not enough to cloak your true agenda. Universal Spirituality is a front for pure Luciferian doctrine, the focal point of worship in the upper ranks of witchcraft and the Illuminati. Witches, Wizards, Covens, the Council of 13, the Council of 33, and the Council of 300, Council and Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, Freemasonry, Catholicism, many of the world's highest ranking elites…They all have one leader and that is Lucifer. But that is my opinion, an opinion I have developed over many years of researching factual data, historical writings, current events, the bible, concordances, prayer, etc. Now that we've pointed out my bias, let us point out some of yours! Are we ready kids?
It is an opinion or ASS-umption that "Before 1973 Jesus’ Jewishness was not a given in Christian thought." Unless these psuedo-researchers have omnipresent powers that enable them to time travel and know the conversations in all churches, homes, and schools of the early United States for the past 200 years before 1973, then they have no empirical way of knowing for a concrete fact that this statement is true. Family members, individual churches, or an inquisitive Christian could have independently searched out the original Judaism and its history of Jewish culture. Jews have kept a great historical literature. The bible is one of many accurate sources into Jewish life and custom, just pay attention to the Old Testament. Jesus’ Jewish customs and culture are all over the old and new testaments. If you could read the bible with fair judgment, this is what you would find.
Another Opinion is that Jesus the Jew really is "a well-researched book" that "can shift our thinking." Although it isn't very well-researched at all, I do not deny that the Universal Life Church's goal is to shift our thinking. A little blunt on your hidden objective. Maybe you should tone it down a bit, eh?
Bible translations are inaccurate? Another opinion slyly portrayed as impeccable fact. I'm sure there are "facts" that support this theory, stating that the true word of God in the bible is no longer clear or trustworthy because its original form is lost due to too many accidents or purposeful errors in translation. If this is true, than all of the religions that Universal Life Church claims to accept that have any ancient documents have all been messed up due to mis-translations. That means that all the books of Witchcraft that Solomon wrote when he was backsliding are also mistranslated. So even though Witchcraft is a federally recognized religion, all their rituals, spells, enchantments, demon-calling, lucifer praising; all of this is in vain too because these ancient writings are too old to be accurate. I can find facts that contradict this theory. Its not a fact, its opinion. As a matter of fact (no pun intended), I could prove in a public/literary debate that certain parts of society have been trying to discredit Jesus and the bible for a long time, so these "facts" have been built over many years. It is never intellectually sound to build facts around an already pre-determined hypothesis or outcome. We call this prejudice, bias, illusion, or intellectual distortion. Just like darwinism and the theory of evolution which goes hand in hand with Universal Death *coughs* I mean, Universal Life Church, because many pseudo-scientific "facts" were displayed to prove the theory of evolution, many of which have been proven to be false and yet are still displayed in middle school and highschool textbooks.
In another flimsy attempt at propaganda, this weak article states that the bible “tells us what Christians thought about Jesus, not who Jesus really was. If we want to find the real Jesus, we have to drill through the encrusted layers of Christian tradition to find him.” Personally, I believe that the bible is God’s love letter written for mankind and therefore is translated well enough (at least in the KJV) to still carry God’s message. Also, I believe it is accurate and that the depiction of Jesus is real, his story is real and much of it is in his own words. There is metaphorical meaning, but it isn’t all a metaphor for astrological star patterns. Jesus’ testimony is prophecy and many prophets before Jesus predicted events with 100% accuracy, something no so-called prophet can do today. This statement is very plain and simply a direct attack on the credibility of Jesus Christ and his testimony to the world. Lucifer must be running for some sort of world-office because he surely is campaigning hard against our Lord and Savior, Jesus. But his political slander and propaganda machines will not fool the true Christians of my generation. We may be few, but we are strong indeed.
Well, I could go on and point out all the other fallacies in this article, but I’d rather not waste my time kicking a dead horse with a pale rider. For any Christian or someone who is interested in real Christianity, simply get off the internet, find a bible, pray to God the father, in Jesus Christ’ name, ask him to show you HIS truth, HIS glory, HIS will when you read the bible. Tell him how it’s confusing and temptation and sin are dually trying to lead you astray so you only want to put your trust in his interpretation of the world and the bible. Then open that bible and start reading. If the prayer was sincere, you’ll start to learn things you never knew were there! As for this fake excuse for a church, ULC, I’ll pray for those who come into contact with this organization or its hardcore members, that they do not give in to temptation and that may our Lord deliver them from evil. Amen
April 8, 2009 10:08 AM
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And this is another interesting piece that I failed to mention. I posted my rebuttal as a blog on my Myspace.com page. Then I found out that the story and link was removed altogether, so I commented my own myspace blog and totally guessed what was going to happen. This is the comment I wrote...
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Well folks, I think I struck a nerve with this rebuttal to the article on the Universal Life Church website.
I went to http://blog.themonastery.org/ and searched for the blog they had advertised on myspace, basically dissing Jesus and the bible.
It was http://blog.themonastery.org/2009/04/what-else-would-jesus-do.html and that page doesn't exist anymore. So basically they removed the page 2-3 hrs after I posted my rebuttal as a comment on there page. Universal Life Church is probably going to repost the article with my comment removed, or the article will be revised with some of the tips I gave them.
Lets see what happens lol
Posted by Lucas on Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 2:37 PM
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Very interesting that they actually took some of my advice. That means that my rebuttal was strong enough to make an impression. Hopefully ULC lets my 3 posts explaining the original version of this article stay posted *wink*
Now with those two posts explaining some of the background, lets have a comparative analysis of the both and of why ULC took my advice; why they re-wrote the entire article just to demon-strate the same point that the first one made such a miserable attempt at proving. Also, I like how the second version has a special disclaimer at the top, lol!
To some, including me, these very actions prove that the ULC is desperate to seperate Christ from the other religions that ULC claims to represent, singling out Christianity and discrediting it's foundation, which is translated holy scripture aka The Holy Bible.
Why would they do that? What does discrediting the foundation of Christianity have to do with promoting Universal Life Church and their claim of being "the only denomination that opens its doors to all..."? That's a good question and it needs answering.
The first thing I noticed when looking at both articles, is that BR. Jacob is a much more talented writer than Rev. Alan Boyd. No offense Mr. Boyd, but the original version of this article written by you was very poorly thought out. Although Jacob's sources can be questioned, at least he decided to use and provide them. Also, Jacob's try at persuasion and developing an argument is skillful, using Christianity's own scripture as a source to substantiate his claims and thesis against popular Christian world-view. I can give respect-due on a literary and intellectual level. But I have a bone to pick on a spiritual level.
I wanna mention the comment by Jacob about how
"Jesus proclaimed that the kingdom of God had come with His arrival, Matthew 12:28; Luke 4:21. But you just have to read your daily newspaper to know that Jesus could not possibly have been the messiah. The kingdom of God is not here. For 2,000 years since Jesus' coming, the genocides and rapes have not ended. Racism and poverty still flourish."
That is true, genocides, rapes, racism, poverty, and many other evil events exist in the world, but that does not mean that Jesus was lying or that he was mistaken. But one thing is obvious about someone who would make a comment like this: you do not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and that is why I will not try to convince you to think otherwise. But for those of you who have an open heart and mind, think about this...
The book of Revelation was written by the 'beloved' disciple John while he was imprisoned on the Island of Patmos long after Jesus was crucified and resurrected. Although the kingdom of heaven had arrived with Jesus, why would John still write The book of Revelation predicting war, famines, death and other pestilences? Why would God show him so much destruction on earth if Jesus was suppose to be the lord and savior? Maybe because true believers in Christ, those that worship God in spirit and in truth, know that God's will must be done on earth as it is in Heaven before we'll ever have a Heaven on earth. Those who are scattered around the earth must follow Christ and his teachings as Lord and Savior before this can happen. It is a form of circular reasoning to claim that because Jesus did not bring a physical Kingdom of Heaven with him and establish it on earth for all to see, feel, hear and touch that he is a wishful thinker and nothing more than a good teacher.
Based on Jesus' testimony, if all would have believed upon him and accepted him as the Messiah and the son of God, rapes, murders, war; all of these would no longer have existed on earth and the spiritual kingdom that Jesus had taught about during his life could have been established on earth as a physical, existing kingdom. But that is not what took place. He was not accepted and both God and Jesus knew this was going to happen. Just think about the Lord's Prayer (Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name. THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN...) One way or another, it is going to happen, this kingdom will come. But since man wants to govern himself and rise up against God's commandments and in doing so rise up against himself and eachother, mankind will find out the hard way, very soon, that any government or society without Christ is destined to disintegrate and collapse from within because of spiritual wickedness.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(Eph 6:12)
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual (1 Cor 2:13)
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23-23)
And for those who wanna say that you cannot just pick one verse and pair it with another to prove the meaning of scripture...I am sorry to see that your spirits are so disconnected with God. Scripture explains scripture.
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. (2 Peter 1:16)
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:20-21)
I hope that those of you who read what I am writing can get some sort of understanding, even if you do not wish to share all of my beliefs. I encourage any of you to contact me, whether to agree, disagree, comment, etc. And the next time that ULC writes an article about Jesus that is completely slanted, expect to see me there, laboring for the lord.
For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
The problem with everyones thoughts here is that none of you understand that the word "Christian" is NOT what followers of Jesus called themselves. They called themselves "Nazarenes". After Jesus ascended to heaven, many of his followers stayed in Jerusalem and gathered into a closely-knit group that became known as the Nazarenes. According to Acts 1:13-16, the group initially had about 120 members, including Jesus' mother Mary and all of his brothers. The two main leaders were Simon Peter and the oldest brother of Jesus, who was called James the Just. During an early meeting a man named Matthias was chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot in the inner circle of the twelve primary disciples.
The Romans and the jews started calling them "Christians" as an insult or rather to say, to point them out.
They used the name Χριστιανός (christianos),translated "Christian"when ever they would see someone acting like or speaking like Jesus. Jesus wasn't a Christian. He is The Christ! The only way to God. The anointed Holy One of God. Jesus plus anything else equals nothing. I'm honored to be called a "Christian".
Just a brief word to all of you who are saying, "Jesus is the son of God and we need not think beyond that":
That's ridiculous. If you can't even entertain the thought, then any one-sided conversation you're offering is pointless.
Personally, I don't subscribe to the idea. Though I respect and appreciate Christ, the man, and his teachings.
And my belief is not a problem.
The only problem is that you have a problem with it. And you really need to get over it. Make 2009 the year ok? Open your minds a bit more, and stop persecuting those who are different from you. No more excuses.
This article is just about as disingenuous as it gets. Just tell the truth for once. For those of you reading this article just to argue... you might want to stop for a moment and actually do some RESEARCH. Only TRUTH can make us free... and nobody seems to know the truth or want to tell it anymore.
There was no such person as "Jesus"... divine or human. There was a MAN named Yahoshua... whose persona has been obscured, whose name and ethnicity have been changed, whose message has been undermined and ignored, and whose purpose has been mutated to suit a pagan religious ideology.
Yahoshua was not a Christian nor was He a Jew. He was an Israelite... who came to the lost sheep of Israel. If one is HONEST and researches... they find that the term "Jew" only meant one who lived in Judea. This term like the term "American" doesn't not denote a persons ethnicity but their place of residence.
There were MANY different ethnicities living in Judea at the time of Yahoshua and even before that time as many rulers from different nations controlled Palestine and often placed people of conquered nations there. When Jon Hyrcanus came to power in the Hasmonean dynasty (with the Help of the Romans)... He subdued the area of Judea and decreed that anyone living there had to convert to monotheistic Judaism (Talmud not Torah... ie... The traditions of the Elders). It just so happens that their most hated enemies the Edomites aka Idumeans... sons of Esau by various Canaanite women... were the recipients of this "conversion" and from then on all residents were simply known as "Jews". Antipater (Herod) himself was of Idumean descent.
Look it up.
As to Yahoshua... I cannot believe the repeated arrogance of people that claim "He was a practicing Jew". As stated previously, "Jew" is not an ethnicity nor is it a religion. A "Jew" in Yahoshua's day... referred simply to a resident of Judea. In those days they weren't even called "Jews"... that name came about just like "Jesus" sometime between the 14th and 17th centuries with the advent of the letter "J". The Hebrew TODAY doesn't even have a "J" SOUND in it... so how in the world would the Ethnic Israelites call themselves something... with sounds that don't even appear in Hebrew??
Furthermore, with that knowledge common sense says: Yahoshua was from Galilee and not Judea... hence not even by "zip code" could he be considered a "Jew".
He came seeking the lost sheep of Israel... not the Jews. He also did not practice "Judaism" which for the uninformed is not the Law of Moses. Judaism and the Hebrew faith of the Israelites IS NOT THE SAME THING.
Judaism focuses on oral traditions supposed passed down from the time of Moses. The books written in the names of "The Sages" as they call their ancient rebbes: The Talmud/Mishnah/Gemara are all held OVER the Law of Moses in importance... and have very little to do with The Law of Moses or the Prophets other than to make outlandish and disrespectful claims.
The prophet Enoch spoke about this occurrence:
104.10 And now I know this mystery; that many sinners will alter and distort the words of truth, and speak evil words, and lie, and concoct great fabrications, and write books in their own words.
If you have ever read the Talmud you will know that verse to be oh so true.
This is why Yahoshua and the "Jews" (mainly the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians) kept getting into it. This is why He accused them of rejecting the Law of God for their precepts of men. One rarely gets a look at the original versions of the Palestinian and Babylonian Talmuds... only the censored ones for "goyim" eyes. I, on the other hand HAVE seen them in Yiddish/Latin/English... and boy was Yahoshua right.
Not only did the "Jews" hate Yahoshua and try to shut him up... but after his disappearance... along came Paul... preaching his own gospel. All you bible scholars have to do is to read Acts chapters 9, 22, and 26... and honestly compare them. These are all the story of Pauls "conversion" but why do they contradict one another? Why is Paul's gospel sometimes the TOTAL opposite of Yahoshua's?
here are a few videos highlighting the differences between the two. For those who really want to know anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFuZPufnNOM&feature=PlayList&p=E076C51B004DD4BA&index=0&playnext=1
It was Paul that enabled the entrance of pagan Ideology. Yahoshua taught about HIS WORDS being Life. Paul changed everything to focus on "Jesus's" Crucifixion as a means for salvation.
I say disappearance because the entire story of "Jesus Christ" is a farce... stolen from other mythologies and canonized by the council of Nicea. THIS almagamation of mystery pagan belief was how Constantine stilled the in-fighting among "religious groups" in his empire. If you don't believe me... look of the name "Esus". It is also spelled Hesus/Aesus/Aisus and a plethora of other ways.
Esus (also known as Cerunnos to the Irish) is a Gaelic deity known as the horned god. google Esus and Cerunnos... and then baphomet to see the similarities. The Gaelic druids of Galatia already had cruciforms or crosses before there ever was a Christianity.
They even had sacrifices to Esus that will sound very familiar to any "good Christian" (especially since Easter just passed): they hung men on trees and stabbed them. Their druids would then make "divinations" from the direction their blood would run in.
I could go on forever but I won't. IF you REALLY want to know who Yahoshua was... READ HIS WORDS. Not your pastors opinion, not some churches doctrine... not even the opinion of other people in the Bible. Read HIS words about Himself. Read HIS words about what he came to do... only then will the truth set you free.
http://www.youtube.com/user/YoelBenYsryael
Jesus Christ is Lord. He needs no proof or agreeance. One day all shall bow. On their knees with heads bowed and confess Jesus is Lord.
I agree with the posters who have disputed your claims and therefore enough has been said about that. However, I noticed a lot of your links to the right regarding Christianity in the news (for lack of a better title), refers to Catholics. It is of my humble opinion that the Roman Empire is alive and well under the guise of the Catholic Church. Their teachings are contrary to that of the bible and true christianity and therefore must be deemed as a cult.
True Christianity is following the teachings of Christ and his apostles. It ills me to see Catholisism lumped in with Christianity. They are responsible for so many atrocities throughout time. We need to speak up and let the masses know.
As for your "Universal Life Church", all I can say is this. The bible says that the things of the spirit are foolishness to the natural man nor can he know them for they are spiritually discerned. It may sound like a catch 22 but if you spend your time seeking spirtual things as opposed to wordly intellect, you will be taught concerning ALL things.
I APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF ALL CHRISTIANS AND WHATEVER RELIGION UNDER THE CHRISTIAN UMBRELLA. As a former Christian, I am sorry for the lack of education the general Christian public has received, for it's ignorance has produced hatred. I am sorry on behalf of all Christians, for not teaching the rules as it should have been, for it has lead to hypocrisy in which teaches them to be judgemental. I am sorry, that tolerance has not been instilled in these souls, for soon freedom shall cease to be. I am sorry for all the misleading information that has been told, but what kind of business would it be if it didn't have propaganda and advertisements? I am DEEPLY sorry, for all the men, women, and children that had to die in the name of God, because they weren't Christian. I am sorry, that we Christians stole your alters, planting our own church upon them, and steal your sabbath day so that we may promote ours. I'm sorry. It has seemed we have broken every single commandments set b4 us, but justified it of doing in the name of Jesus Christ, and therefor, I am sorry. This is why I have formally renounce being Christian, for while I AM SORRY, they continue to be not. For this, I am really sorry.
Christianity came about because of Jesus Christ. Jesus was born a Jew and I would agree his skin was probably dark like the people of that area. However, those are not the important issues. There are many different ways people define Christianity. Some define it in dogmatic terms. Some consider it a movement of rules defining and governing moral behavior. Still others defined Christianity in terms of a certain type of worship experience. All these groups may be real Christians, but they fail to consider what the core of Christianity is. Jesus Christ is the core, (heart and soul) of Christianity. Without Jesus, there would be no Christianity.
There will always be religious arguments. People have different opinions this is mine. To be honest I do not care what color his skin was or if he was born a Jew. I just know he came from heaven, because Jesus said it himself in (John 16:28).
This scripture says, “I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.” In (John 3:5-7) Jesus tells us what is important, when he answered Nicodemus. Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘you must be born again.’ If we read on in (John 3:16) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. These are the things I find important and share with others.
The bible I quoted from is the NKJV.
This information came from Core Christianity; author Elmer Towns.
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Agreed; Jesus was Jewish.
Disagree; Christianity is believed to have begun several decades prior to the 4th Century AD. What were the followers of Jesus prior to then? The established “Christian Church” (the Catholic Church) may not have been structured until later, but followers of the “Christian Faith” were a “church”.
Would Jesus be a Christian today? Are we speaking of the “Christian Religion” or the “Christian Faith”?
I leave you with a quote from Mahatma Gandhi:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
We are all children of the Universe and only together may we all be saved.
Rev Chard
jesus was white man
jesus was not a jew
because jews are race
jesus was white man
There is no evidence that Jesus even existed.
Jesus did exist, there is an abundance of evidence both historical and archeological that he existed. To make the claim that he did not even exist is an uniformed claim that shows great ignorance.
Interesting posts. I only know one thing for sure. If Jesus does come back, the first thing he's going to do is kick all the money changers out of the church- the American "Christian" church.
don
spiritnewsdaily.com
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