Nature Vs. Choice - Part II
And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures each according to his kind…
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good…
Genesis 1:24-31
Nature VS Choice
Is the argument that Homosexuality is a “crime against nature” still a valid one?
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good…
Genesis 1:24-31
Nature VS Choice
Is the argument that Homosexuality is a “crime against nature” still a valid one?
Part II
With the advent of 18th Century enlightenment the sciences have slowly began to unravel the mysteries of our universe- and particularly that of the animal kingdom. Fast forward to the 21st Century and we can now irrevocably concur that homosexuality is a common and widespread phenomenon in the animal world.Various scientific study groups have theorized that homosexuality probably occurs across the whole Animal Kingdom. And homosexual behavior is most common in the larger animal species where there exists distinct male and female differentiation. This male and female differentiation has made it easier for scientists to recognize homosexual behavior and document it.
In October of 2006 The Natural History Museum of the University of Oslo, opened the first-ever museum exhibition devoted to gay animals. The exhibit featured more than 1500 species where homosexual behavior has been observed. The museum attendees were confronted, through photos, texts, models and specimens with the little known gay life of animals- a whole colorful array of queer animal life was exposed for the scrutiny of a curious public. According to the Oslo Natural History Museum the exhibits main purpose was to display “a greater understanding of how extensive and common this behavior is among animals…At least, we hope to reject the… argument that homosexual behavior is a crime against nature”.
As “animal porn” as it may sound, the exhibition included photographs of one male giraffe mounting another, Two male shelducks, mating, various primates in the act of same sex mutual masturbation, and even two aroused male Killer whales rubbing against each other- in addition to many other eyebrow raising examples.
Other installations in the exhibit showcased incidents where male bird couples will fertilize and hatch eggs that have been "donated" via a “one night stand” by a female bird of the same species. Some “gay” bird couples known to successfully raise offspring in this manner include; swans, Geese, Penguins, ducks and seagulls. In a documented case of pink flamingos: "two males can hold a much larger territory than a male/female flamingo pair, thus more chicks can grow up".
In the Animal Kingdom, not only do short-lived gay sexual relationships occur, but even long-lasting partnerships; partnerships that bring forth offspring, and more surprising, partnerships that last the animals lifetime. In some cases the entire species is bisexual.
So why is the argument, “homosexuality is a crime against nature” still a valid one?
The term “Crime against Nature” was first coined by the Church Council of Nablus in 1120 AD. During the Renaissance this term was incorporated into the laws of most European countries and has been used to this day in the widespread oppression of homosexuals. Truth be told, the term never originated in the bible, and based on what we know about the nature of the animal kingdom it is an outdated and ignorant argument. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good… Genesis 1:31
~Martyn Valenzuela
Sources:
- http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718
- http://www.nhm.uio.no/besokende/skiftende-utstillinger/againstnature/index-eng.html
- http://www.nhm.uio.no/besokende/skiftende-utstillinger/againstnature/animal_human.html
BOOKS:
• Bagemihl, B. 1999. Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity. St. Martin's Press. 752 pp.
• de Waal, F. 1997. Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape. University of California Press, Berkeley.
• de Waal, F. M. B. & R. Ren (1988): Peacemaking among Primates. Harvard University Press, Cambridge (Massachusetts).
• Roughgarden, J. 2004. Evolution's Rainbow: Diversity, Gender, and Sexuality in Nature and People. University of California Press. Berkeley CA. 474 pp
• Sommer, V & P. L Vasey (2006): Homosexual Behaviour in Animals, An Evolutionary Perspective. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge.





10 Comments:
Hi ya,
My problem with the whole"crime against nature" hypothesis against gays is that mankind does so many things that could be considered "crimes against nature", or at least un-natural activities. Our technology, medicine, surgery, engineering, mining, polluting, rockets, satellites and spaceflight, nuclear and helium bombs, warfare, missiles, gill netting of the seas, exterminating of species and ecosystems, global warming, fossil fuel burning, artificial insemination, and religions themselves are not natural. Clothes are not natural, nor houses and cars, nor makeup, music, glasses and contacts, cooking food, taking drugs to get high or alcohol, breeding animals and crops, agriculture, writing, language, computers, printing etc are all artifice of mankind. Why point at homosexuality as the only "crime" of mankind against nature? And furthermore, who gets to be legislator, judge, jury and proson guard of all the humans who have committed these so called "crimes? These categories do not exist in nature either.
Not the least that I don't believe in religion and hate wasting time aguing with fanatics who insist in the make believe; I mean why not believe in aliens, fairies, elves and Ump Loompas instead?
In actuality, neasrly everything mankind does is not seen in nature, so are we not all "crimes against nature"?
If I were to accept the god hypothesis of biblical passages(which I don't), then god created us as we are, are we gays and humans in general not therefore his perfect creations and fine as we are? Should we choose to not be gay as god made us, surely that would be a crime.
Something to think about...
As a gay man and an ordained minister I have been saying this for quite awhile. My religious beliefs accept same sex marriage and my rights are being violated.
I have always wondered why it hasn't been fought on the grounds of religious freedom.
TY for getting in the fight for same sex marriage. When are you coming to Florida to help us out? I'm ready! I'll be glad to perform any same sex marriages here in Florida for FREE!!
Surely ignorance is bliss, The law is the law even if you don't like it. will it be as easy to say that the next request will be to marry a human with an animal? Surely you can see where this is going. Yes God created everything but it was Man that decided he would be his own God and thus you have sexual immorality amongst the many other desires of the flesh. As a christian we are expected to encourage all to follow the laws Jesus expected us to follow in order to be right with God. Yes he will hold my sins accoutable as he will hold the homosexuals accountable,and every living human being of his creative intention. we are all in the same boat (Romans 3:23 "we all fall short of the glory of God")together unless we repent our sins and confess with our mouth that Jesus is lord and raised from the dead for the sake of these sins, in repentance we are to shun these sins despite our fleshly desires.Is it easy? is it that easy no it takes work to avaoid desires of the flesh. but it is possible. (Romans 10:9 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved") I wish no homosexual harm and pray for them as I pray for all of us living in our sins so that we may have the moment to be in the heavens with Jeus himself sharing in his kingdom. A church by order of God is not to marry such couples and thats the law, Laws of our government can wed whom ever they please but find a different title for the unions of homosexuals becuase it is not the same thing that should be more than obvious. Unionize, Civil Union, Living wills, whatever makes the gay community feel better about themselves is fine but the right of Marriage is indeed the union of God, between a man and a women, and any christian can adhere to that. Free will is all about choice, you may choose to be a murder, rapist, thief, drunkard or Gay, but it doesn't mean it is lawful in the eyes of God, it is not I that will judge you but God will judge you, I simply plant the seed for you to hear the gospel of the Lord and still welcome you in my home and as a friend as I always have. but law is law. which will you follow. your own, The Government, or God's? The choice is yours and we will all be accountable for our sins and discreations. In the meantime. Peace be with you all and try to get along change the things you can, accept the things you can't change and live life for the time you are the best way in loving one and other. Marriage is a God centered union since Adam and Eve. have your unions through your government. My soul answers to a higher authority, what will yours answer to. God bless and the peace of our lord jesus chirst be with you all.
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I totally disagree with same sex marriage, not judging but the Bible says man and woman. How can you conceive with same sex? God can do anything but this HE WILL NOT ACCEPT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE.
If People would read what the " Universal Life Church" is all about they wouldnt use the whole bible theory, that it is the only word of god. The Rights and freedoms of all men and women must be brought to the light and im sorry but the whole idea that some how that if they legalize gay merriage people will want to start marrying animals? Now come on. one its crazy. and two comeon i dont know anyone who would seriously want to marry an animal. those who are Fanatical Christians need to back off. We are a religous nation, we are not, and have never been a declared christian nation under our constitution, christians do not rule everything, plus the arguments are all the same from when black and white people could marry. Use some common sense, read and get to know the gay community, quit being so nieve into thinking you or anyone knows everything. I am a minister of the ULC and im am very proud to be one, even though i do get ridiculed from time to time. Keep up the good work of the true light of life, happiness, and christians if you do read this learn to spread happiness not hatred. Remember what christ taught and read your whole bible dont just spout out what your minister tells you. Trust me they can be wrong. Get to know your god. Dont just pray at church. Get to know yourself and you may learn a great deal.
BTW im Rev. Suchman
Regardless of what man says, God is the final authority. Same sex marriage is a sin no matter who says otherwise and homosexuality is a sin and unless these people repent, they will face God's Judgement.
We can believe what we want, but unless we follow the teachings of the Bible, it will make no difference. Man will never change God's mind or His Holiness.
Be good and do what is right will not get anyone into Heaven. Only God's grace and the Salvation of Jesus Christ will.
We can believe the Bible and it's teachings but unless we repent and accept Christ as Savior we will be lost. And the Bible is very clear that homosexuality is a sin.
What I'd be curious to know, those of you who are against same-sex marriage and who did not care to try to understand the religious aspects presented above, is this: are you also against marriages that are not sanctioned by a church? Marriage is not strictly a religious institution, whether you all want to admit it or not; many people are joined by the courts and not by a church. Gay people generally do not want to push in where they are not wanted; most are not asking for same-sex marriages to be forced upon religions that do not wish to recognize them. What they are asking for is the *legal* right to enjoy the same rights and privileges that hetero couples enjoy, nothing more and nothing less.
"Anonymous": My Christian religion has no problem with same-sex marriage, and I do not appreciate all Christians being lumped in with someone as single-minded as yourself. Unlike you, I am not afraid to put my name to my beliefs.
Until GOD him/herself shows up and says his/herself what is right or wrong in his/her mind, we as his/her folowers have no right to presume to KNOW what he/she is thinking or feeling. This type arrogance is the biggest flaw of mankind. Did GOD come to your house and tell you what is or isn't against his/her word? And who cares is couples concieve or not? It's none of anyone else's business if ANY couple has children, whether they are straight or gay. STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THEIR RELATIONSHIPS AND TRY WORRYING ABOUT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS....YOU KNOW, LIKE STARVING CHILDREN, HOMELESS PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO HEALTH CARE. mOVE ON TO A CRUSADE THAT'S ACTUALLY WORTHWHILE AND MEANINGFUL TO ALL PEOPLE.
What if I tell God has nothing to do with anything, He just created humans to eternalize Himself..
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